I know Buu said he was warming up, but Gotenks was clearly dominating the fight. So he used his mind tricks to break gohan down. Again, we have them as equal. Gohan is much stronger then Goku. all that stuff you said about the spirit bomb makes no sense and it makes you sound messed up in the head. Yet SSJ3 Gotenks fought equal with him and almost won until the fusion wore off. he faced the power of buu, and gotenks and piccolo combined. no you didnt establish shit. and since funimation was responsible for hiring ocean studios, then bardocks a brilliant scientist and tien can regrow his arm. goku is known for sending people into battles they cant win but goku thinks they could. Little . And in GT, Gohan isn't "ultimate" anymore, as he can go SSJ, thus it shouldn't count on the topic about Ultimate Gohan. SSJ3 Goku fatigues super fast, and Ultimate Gohan was stronger than super buu, who was stronger than fat buu, who was essentially equal to goku. Yet he believes a SSJ1 Gotenks can beat Super Buu. He thought that a fusion would be a good match for Fat Buu, and I don't blame him because either Gogeta or Vegito would have destroyed Fat Buu in seconds. so your looking at a gap of more than 3000 times126.96.36.199 04:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC). "Super Buu has two Kais absorbed in him while Kid Buu has nothing in him" That IS proof. he all but admitted ssj1 gotenks is stronger than him. 09:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC). He did in fact say he could definately beat fat buu. gotenks being on his level is absolutely astounding and amazing, especially at such a young age. the manga doesnt really apply when talking about gt. I think Goku is a more powerful SSJ3 than Gotenks. Gohan completely flattens Goku. here kid buu is shown to have been damaged by ssj3 goku, an impressive feat. its in the chapter where goku is just finished fighting kid buu. Not sure why, but people didn't like the fact he was the hero of the Cell saga and the Buu Saga. Gotenks was equal with super buu that it was far stronger than super buu.And ofcorse Gohan that was stronger than Gotenks is obvious that was also stronger than Super Buu. User:Dbzfan999sig 18:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)This is the right answer. Then we can state that Goku is stronger than Buuccolo, and Gohan is probably equal to Goku or a bit weaker or a bit powerful. There is NO evidence. It just makes no sense. GOKU!!! not once did i see him use intelligence or polished fighting skills.". It's important to note that Goku had to reach a whole new level just to beat Kefla in the anime. For example, Gotenks Ssj3 couldn't defeat Super Buu but Ultimate Gohan easily outmatches it showing that Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Gotenks Ssj3. This character has been the focal point of the series from the very first chapter of Dragon Ball and trying to change the face of the series would've been quite a hard sell to fans at that time.. 8 GOHAN: Would've Added A Layer Of Finality To The Series and who died??? But the energy consumption rate for him is nowhere near as bad as gokus in the living world re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan He didn't want to destroy his brothers body, which made it a lot harder. Remove them from dbz and i m more than ready to accept that Gohan was stronger. and goku was turned into a body smaller than a flea so he was too small to fight properly. The question is asking if Ultimate Gohan is stronger than a SSJ3 not SSJ3 Gotenks or Goku. YES WE DO. and minutes after that, smiled at super buu and warned him not to underestimate him. -UltimateSSJ1-. Even more proof, SSJ3 Goku fighting Buuccolo told him he's not planning to beat him in that form(or something very similar). if he didnt run out of time he would have wiped super buu out. Okay, I'm going to stop this. This disillusionment is evident thats why we r not able to decide who is mighty,goku or gohan. Thaddeuspawlett78. look what happened. Watch fullscreen. In other world it's goku, Gohan, gotenks. Yes, I went there, GT. piccolo thought blowing up the door was better than letting gotenks fight more. Although it would be a close fight, i would give a slight edge to Ultimate Gohan. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! could freeza beat cell games gohan? he is. That is fact. They said Kid Buu is the difficult one because he's stronger not because he's crazy. Library. he tried powering back up to full power but was left too tired. goku in base is not as strong as ssj3 goku in z. i want them to at least have a shot at saving the world". Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks. Ok lets make this clear. Wouldnt Goku have fought if he felt that he could win? This should be enough to prove that Gohan is stronger however some people like to refer to the filler fight between goku and buutenks and use that as evidence. As far as goku looking for a fusing partner is concerned, Goku knew he had to utilize a lot of energy in his ssj3 state to defeat buu. Why did he never tell him about his power and that he would destroy the universe until he came. If Gohan was as old and had the same experience as Goku it still wouldn't be good enough. Super Buu is just as capable of destroying everything as Kid Buu is. Gotenks is a fighting IDIOT! its in the manga right in fucking front of us. Goku never fully mastered ssj3 so it might be stronger and if we're talikng about the energy drain ssj had a lot of side effects if you used it before mastering it. no goku has almost never won a battle where hes the weaker fighter without genki dama. in funi dub, goku is clearly the strongest besides vegetto because he holds off kid buu whos the strongest of all buus. "you cant have the "strength of a ssj3" ssj3 is a form not a power level. he had 5 years training uub to master ssj3. Specialbeamkamehameha 15:28, August 13, 2011 (UTC). So we know Buutenks is stronger than both. goku said that him (in ss3) and vegeta (in ss2) cldnt beat super buu and that they wld lose while gohan single handedly pwned super buu. Now this is about Ultimate Gohan. no he didnt. He compared the results he thought he'd get by fusing with Vegeta, to Gotenks. Gotenks is already above Goku and we know Gohan is above even that. User:Dbzfan999sig 19:54, October 25, 2011 (UTC), No ultimate Gohan is when gohan reaches his fathers goal back when they were training for cell when he can be comfortable in ssj2 thats all. He achieved and fully mastered SSJ3 in one week. He may not have a lot of fighting experience, and be very immature and childish. That doesn't even make sense. To those arguing with Goku's statement as some kind of fact, Goku has been wrong. All in the Family - The Saiyan Lineage - Kamehameha - Shocking Speed - Power Bestowed by God - Supreme Power - Fierce Battle Hybrid Saiyans - Majin Buu Saga - Goku's Family - Siblings' Bond - Kamehameha - Revenge - Rapid Growth - Saviors x2x4 x6 x8 x12 x12 x12 Lv. He was able to fight Super Buu Gotenks Absorbed for a short time. Ssj3 Goku vs Gohan was never controversial It has always been known that Ssj3 > Mystic power This is because Mystic Gohan has a limit, his potential. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Goku. you say goku could not handle fat buu? Heck, he's stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, who's a lot stronger than SSj3 Goku. In Gt, Gohan didn't train and fell behind and he sucks anyway, whereas Goku kept training. They do not state that he the most powerful, they do say he is the most dangerous. EntertainmentFan14 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC). Take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0Sxotf4aI. ... Bola de Dragón último de Budokai 3 ssj4 gogeta goku vs vegeta broly ssj3 gotenks gohan. gt is non canon and im smarter than you. This is the same Super Buu that Ultimate Gohan effortlessly walked all over. So I guess I would say Mystic Gohan. I don't see how Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan and be in anyway weaker then him. I don't care if the Kai's say anything, because I'm pretty sure at the beginning of DBZ, King Kai states how powerful Frieza is, but doesn't mention Majin Buu or Bills for that matter. what temper? 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